PocketGod

May 5 2016, 01:31 PM

I already have Bebi Saga SSJ4 Goku > Whis so...........>__>

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:37 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

Beerus is clearly still above KK 10x SSJB Goku.

Champa> Hit (post Goku fight) ~ KK 10x SSJB Goku> SSJB Goku.

It doesnt make any sense to me that Toriyama said SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15.

Maybe dragonball Super Beerus is 200 then?

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:40 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:37 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

Beerus is clearly still above KK 10x SSJB Goku.

Champa> Hit (post Goku fight) ~ KK 10x SSJB Goku> SSJB Goku.

It doesnt make any sense to me that Toriyama said SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15.

Maybe dragonball Super Beerus is 200 then?

No, because Vegeta is a bloody ten percent of Beerus. If he's two hundred then Vegeta is 20. The power scaling here is awful, especially since its not even implied that he's training so... What is going on here.
Either kaioken times ten is a x1.1 multiplier, or Beerus is a compulsive liar.

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:44 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:40 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:37 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

Beerus is clearly still above KK 10x SSJB Goku.

Champa> Hit (post Goku fight) ~ KK 10x SSJB Goku> SSJB Goku.

It doesnt make any sense to me that Toriyama said SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15.

Maybe dragonball Super Beerus is 200 then?

No, because Vegeta is a bloody ten percent of Beerus. If he's two hundred then Vegeta is 20. The power scaling here is awful, especially since its not even implied that he's training so... What is going on here.
Either kaioken times ten is a x1.1 multiplier, or Beerus is a compulsive liar.

No, Beerus is not lying. Vados stated that Beerus is stronger then Beerus, which Champa annoyed agreed with.

When Champa threatened to kill his team (including Hit) Hit became worried and could do nothing but wait to die.

So yeah, Beerus is still above 10x KK SSJB Goku.

Beerus likely lied against rage Vegeta lol.

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:49 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:44 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:40 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:37 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

Beerus is clearly still above KK 10x SSJB Goku.

Champa> Hit (post Goku fight) ~ KK 10x SSJB Goku> SSJB Goku.

It doesnt make any sense to me that Toriyama said SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15.

Maybe dragonball Super Beerus is 200 then?

No, because Vegeta is a bloody ten percent of Beerus. If he's two hundred then Vegeta is 20. The power scaling here is awful, especially since its not even implied that he's training so... What is going on here.
Either kaioken times ten is a x1.1 multiplier, or Beerus is a compulsive liar.

No, Beerus is not lying. Vados stated that Beerus is stronger then Beerus, which Champa annoyed agreed with.

When Champa threatened to kill his team (including Hit) Hit became worried and could do nothing but wait to die.

So yeah, Beerus is still above 10x KK SSJB Goku.

Beerus likely lied against rage Vegeta lol.

But why did he lie about Vegeta? There was absolutely no reason to. Also why ate you talking about ssjgssjkkx10? I'm agreeing with you, Beerus is presumably stronger than that, which is why the power scaling is so f***ed. Like, why did he lie about Vegeta? He had no reason to lie. And don't even bring up that, Goku and Hit shut him up with a look earlier in the episode. At that point you'd think they'd be able to wipe the floor with both based on that unless Champa is a coward, and Goku was ready to go in and fight Champa as well.

Either names don't mean what they do, or again Beerus is a compulsive liar and nothing he says can be trusted.

It's impossible to measure power levels here, as much as it pains me to say this, feats are the only thing that we can compare, but even that is f***ed because recent feats put most of U6 below Dragon Ball. so... Yeah, DBS has no rhyme or reason to determining how strong everyone is.

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:58 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:49 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:44 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:40 PM

RealSociedad

May 5 2016, 01:37 PM

Tinny

May 5 2016, 01:34 PM

The answer is who knows. We don't even know if the U6 fighters are god God tier or not, maybe we have a statement from Toriyama but he's barely a factor, and even then could just be referring to Hit. Then there is Beerus sweats bullets upon seeing just regular ssjgssjkk but is still stronger, which makes no damn sense in either continuity unless he's a compulsive liar or Whis is an idiot.

Beerus is clearly still above KK 10x SSJB Goku.

Champa> Hit (post Goku fight) ~ KK 10x SSJB Goku> SSJB Goku.

It doesnt make any sense to me that Toriyama said SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15.

Maybe dragonball Super Beerus is 200 then?

No, because Vegeta is a bloody ten percent of Beerus. If he's two hundred then Vegeta is 20. The power scaling here is awful, especially since its not even implied that he's training so... What is going on here.
Either kaioken times ten is a x1.1 multiplier, or Beerus is a compulsive liar.

No, Beerus is not lying. Vados stated that Beerus is stronger then Beerus, which Champa annoyed agreed with.

When Champa threatened to kill his team (including Hit) Hit became worried and could do nothing but wait to die.

So yeah, Beerus is still above 10x KK SSJB Goku.

Beerus likely lied against rage Vegeta lol.

But why did he lie about Vegeta? There was absolutely no reason to. Also why ate you talking about ssjgssjkkx10? I'm agreeing with you, Beerus is presumably stronger than that, which is why the power scaling is so f***ed. Like, why did he lie about Vegeta? He had no reason to lie. And don't even bring up that, Goku and Hit shut him up with a look earlier in the episode. At that point you'd think they'd be able to wipe the floor with both based on that unless Champa is a coward, and Goku was ready to go in and fight Champa as well.

Either names don't mean what they do, or again Beerus is a compulsive liar and nothing he says can be trusted.

It's impossible to measure power levels here, as much as it pains me to say this, feats are the only thing that we can compare, but even that is f***ed because recent feats put most of U6 below Dragon Ball. so... Yeah, DBS has no rhyme or reason to determining how strong everyone is.

Well, we saw some facts, like Whis flying in 3 hours from a universe to another universe.
Beerus destroying a half planet by just touching the planet with his index finger.
Goku beeing faster then the time when it is stopped for 0.5 seconds.
These are some impressive facts that happened without lies.

This is my powerscale. It is just pure speculation, but I think it is like this.

Zeno (Omni-king)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJB Vegetto> SSJ4 Goku (eoGT)> Whis/Vados> Beerus~> Champa> Hit (post SSJB Goku fight) ~ 10x KK SSJB Goku> Hit (Pre SSJB Goku fight)> Golden Freeza> SSJB Goku ~> SSJB Vegeta> SSJ4 Gogeta> SSJ Goku (U6 tournament) ~> SSJ Vegeta~> Magetta> final form Frost> Omega Shenron> SSJ Cabba> SSJ4 Goku (SL)> Syn Shenron> base Goku (U6 tournament)> base Vegeta (U6 tournament)> Super 17 (Post 10x kamehameha)> Vinie the Pooh (Botama)> 1st form Frost> SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga).

Dark Matter

May 5 2016, 06:31 PM

Even if you took the universe shockwave feat seriously, what would it actually matter in a real fight? This was constructed by the clash between Goku and Beerus and its effect only happened once the shockwave got further and further from its detonation point. So unless Goku wants to teleport to some back alley part of the universe, punch something as hard as he can and let some shockwave travel through the universe, hopefully hitting GT Goku at some point, what's the point?

It's kind of clear that his physical feats do not actually match up to that and unfortunately for the Super fans, Super physical feats haven't been all that great.

GT Goku has lifted up half a city, something we can theorized to measure of being several million tons, or to say the least, a hell of a lot more than 1,000 tons. Vegeta was getting heatstroke by being near Magetta. You basically have Vegeta finding it difficult to handle lava temperatures. I'll be modest and give the temperatures a bit more oomph but then you take Goku's feat of taking sun surface level temperatures and surviving. It's a very big difference in durability there.

In fact, a lot of the stronger feats from Super, seem to come from more indirect means. For example Whis seems to have his staff which can travel at extreme speeds that perhaps he normally can't do. Kind of like how Goku's Instantaneous Movement makes him faster than he normally is.

So if we take say GT Goku and face him off against U6 SSJ Vegeta then, well judging from feats, poor Vegeta's getting his face smashed in. How can he hope to handle a guy who can lift half a city when he can't budge a thousand tons? How can he hope to stand up against a guy who can survive sun surface level temperatures when he himself is having trouble with lava level temperatures?

And if the whole Goku, Beerus and Whis 6/10/15 still stands to any degree, then even Bluper Saiyan wouldn't be enough to surpass Goku's physical feats.

Super is a mess, an absolute mess.

Solid Snake

May 5 2016, 07:26 PM

Dark Matter

May 5 2016, 06:31 PM

Even if you took the universe shockwave feat seriously, what would it actually matter in a real fight? This was constructed by the clash between Goku and Beerus and its effect only happened once the shockwave got further and further from its detonation point. So unless Goku wants to teleport to some back alley part of the universe, punch something as hard as he can and let some shockwave travel through the universe, hopefully hitting GT Goku at some point, what's the point?

It's kind of clear that his physical feats do not actually match up to that and unfortunately for the Super fans, Super physical feats haven't been all that great.

GT Goku has lifted up half a city, something we can theorized to measure of being several million tons, or to say the least, a hell of a lot more than 1,000 tons. Vegeta was getting heatstroke by being near Magetta. You basically have Vegeta finding it difficult to handle lava temperatures. I'll be modest and give the temperatures a bit more oomph but then you take Goku's feat of taking sun surface level temperatures and surviving. It's a very big difference in durability there.

In fact, a lot of the stronger feats from Super, seem to come from more indirect means. For example Whis seems to have his staff which can travel at extreme speeds that perhaps he normally can't do. Kind of like how Goku's Instantaneous Movement makes him faster than he normally is.

So if we take say GT Goku and face him off against U6 SSJ Vegeta then, well judging from feats, poor Vegeta's getting his face smashed in. How can he hope to handle a guy who can lift half a city when he can't budge a thousand tons? How can he hope to stand up against a guy who can survive sun surface level temperatures when he himself is having trouble with lava level temperatures?

And if the whole Goku, Beerus and Whis 6/10/15 still stands to any degree, then even Bluper Saiyan wouldn't be enough to surpass Goku's physical feats.

Super is a mess, an absolute mess.

Goku still punched out a universe plus level attack so yeah.